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MEETING THE ENEMY A feminist comes to terms with the Men's Rights movement | Cassie Jaye | TEDxMarin

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Documentary filmmaker Cassie Jaye explains how making The Red Pill led her, a feminist, to reevaluate her assumptions about the Men's Rights movement. She argues for listening to people you think of as the enemy.

HN recommends it as a thoughtful account from a feminist on men's issues and the cost of saying unpopular things.

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@daenz2019-07 · in “When Having Friends Is More Alluring Than Being Right”

The Red Pill documentary by (feminist!) Cassie Jaye opened my eyes to what MRAs are all about. It's a fascinating watch, and I'd honestly be astonished at anyone who comes away from watching it thinking that they have no legitimacy. Her TED talk: ▶ this video

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@cassianoleal2021-06 · in “The incel lexicon: Deciphering the emergent cryptolect of a global community”

Indeed. This is a good TEDx talk from a feminist who went to make a documentary about what she described as "a misogynistic hate-group working against women's equality" and about what she learned after a year interviewing "the enemy". ▶ this video

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@Popegaf2021-06 · in “The incel lexicon: Deciphering the emergent cryptolect of a global community”

And you should probably look into what the Men's Rights Activists are actually advocated for prior to passing judgement on a whole group. Be aware that news in the US is very polarized and that online communities are often converge to echo chambers. The comments you read online and the people you meet there are probably the most active there. IRL, (at least in Europe) people are much less extreme than they are online. Remember that online, people tend to be more crass. Don't read The New York Times or BBC at their word, just like you wouldn't take The Wallstreet Journal or The Washington Times at their word. Sentences like > Self-identified "mens' rights activists", by and large, advocate for mens' rights in much the same way as the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea is very, very democratic. Can easily be modified to replace "mens' rights" with "feminists" and "feminism" and be just as wrong. Here's what a feminist has to say about the Men's Rights movement ▶ this video

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@Geminidog2021-02 · in “I followed my dreams to get demoted to software developer”

How is my statement biased? Men can suffer from unfair treatment as well. I never said anything to discount feminism, I simply stated one case where men are treated less well then women and I caveated that statement saying that this was based off of my own anecdotal experiences implying that your experience could be different. Do you think it's possible to live in a world where women are the only gender that is mistreated? Or do you think it's more realistic to live in a world where infractions are committed against both genders? This is off topic, but if my statement about this one case pissed you off because you're an ardent supporter of womens' rights I think you need to watch the video below and keep in mind... I literally never said anything AGAINST women's rights. ▶ this video

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@neonological2021-03 · in “Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up”

I went into this article thinking it was going to be an outrage piece about men being sexist towards women. Instead it's about men being afraid of being accused of being sexist. This is a very real issue. It's already gotten to the point where the people behind the movement are hysterically unreasonable and irrational. Literally even feminists who are integral parts of the movement itself aren't safe from their own vitriol. Below is an TED talk about the story of a activist feminist who had her entire activist career destroyed simply by saying something that the cancel culture disagreed with: ▶ this video