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BMW's Hydrogen V12 Engine Is A Hilarious Engineering Stunt

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Engineering Explained examines BMW's Hydrogen 7, a V12 that burns liquid hydrogen or gasoline. He covers cryogenic storage at -253C and why the approach is impractical.

Cited in hydrogen threads as a clear explanation of why burning hydrogen in engines is a poor idea.

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@TheRealPomax2023-01 · in “'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy does nothing”

Maybe, but link is probably a better person to ask to explain why this is just not going to work, through his "The Unfortunate Truth About Toyota's Hydrogen V8 Engine" [1] and "BMW's Hydrogen V12 Engine Is A Hilarious Engineering Stunt" [2] videos. [1] link [2] ▶ this video

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@otherme1232023-01 · in “'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy does nothing”

If batteries has problems as a long term storage, hydrogen is even worse. If you store liquid hydrogen, you have to let the gas escape or risk explosions. Keeping things below -250ºC is not easy. Worth watching: ▶ this video Every single actor is pushing for their own interests and highlighting the flaws of the competitors. You cannot say in good faith that hydrogen, nuclear or fuel are supporting the "renewable energy gang", or that they are not a gang themselves. In fact, my opinions is that nuclear gang was so against renewables that they missed the bus of "renewables + nuclear" friendly mix, letting the gas gang conquest "renewables + gas".

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@pornel2023-09 · in “Toyota’s advanced battery technology roadmap”

BMW tried that. You weren't allowed to park the car in a garage, because it had to vent the hydrogen as it thawed. ▶ this video

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@freetime22023-02 · in “Seawater split to produce green hydrogen with nearly 100% efficiency”

Toyota (in collaboration with Yamaha) is developing a V8 hydrogen combustion engine [1]. BMW is also developing a V12 hydrogen combustion engine [2]. "Engineering Explained" has put out videos on both, and neither of them sound very appealing to me. [3][4] [1] link [2] link [3] link [4] ▶ this video

@shagie2023-01 · in “'A complete failure' Japan's 'fantasy' hydrogen strategy does nothing”

There are a few issues with that car. ▶ this video On the backdrop of the first thing - the part that caught my eye was "Liquid H2 Tank" which... well... yea. That's a different approach than a hydrogen fuel cell.