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My Video Went Viral. Here's Why

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Veritasium's Derek Muller explains his hypothesis that YouTube's algorithm, not viewer preference, drives views, and that click-through rate has become the key metric. He argues this pushes creators toward clickable titles and thumbnails and leads to burnout.

Cited in threads about recommendation algorithms and clickbait as a creator's inside view of why optimizing for click-through rate shapes content.

12 comments from Hacker News

@jlokier2021-07 · in “As lockdowns lift, media firms brace for an “attention recession””

This video from Veritasium goes into more about Youtuber burnout, self-blame, dynamics and the drive to non-platform revenue streams: ▶ this video If you find the apparent contradiction between Youtube success and creators needing to built out non-platform revenue streams strange, the video gives a pretty good theory explaining why. It's possible that a small number of creators are taking most of the revenue at any particular time, and the set of outstandingly successful creators keeps changing, which it might due to the promotion algorithm. That gives all of them reasons to build out non-platform revenue streams. I'm not saying Google/YouTube aren't taking too much. But hypothetically, even if they took 0% cut, the above could still happen.

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@eins12342020-11 · in “A Spacetime Surprise: Time Isn’t Just Another Dimension”

Long time Veritasium subscriber here. He actually made a great video a while ago explaining why professional Youtubers don't have much of a choice when it comes to clickbaiting with titles and thumbnails, because it's the only way to reliably get lots of impressions and views and grow their channel: ▶ this video It made me gain a bit of empathy for creators using these tactics on Youtube and tolerate it as long as it's not being used to promote content that's devoid of any substance, which is pretty much never the case for Veritasium videos or any of the other educational channels I subscribe to.

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@shortcake272023-06 · in “DeArrow – Solving Clickbait on YouTube”

Veritasium has a video about this and I’ve seen other creators like GothamChess and maybe even Tom Scott talk about how they have to create clickbait thumbnails otherwise they get no views. The YouTube algorithm punishes creators who don’t use clickbait. ▶ this video

@CSSer2022-03 · in “We're building computers wrong [video]”

Committed to, actually. He made a video about how they were going to start doing it more: ▶ this video . Also, more recently: link .

@spion2022-01 · in “Censorship by Algorithm Does Far More Damage Than Conventional Censorship”

This article is only half-right. Some of the other things you don't see because the algorithm doesn't promote them are: - scientists and educators that make 1 hour long videos to explain how something is incorrect. Example: link (less than 0.1% reach of the original) - long threads of detailed analysis with cross-references - long educational material that explaines e.g. confounders in order to explain why some statistical results observed are not possible to interpret in a certain way The reason you don't see this kind of content is simple: the level of its engagement is low. Its not clickbaity, its not exciting, it doesn't have a rebel perspective, it doesn't claim to uncover something nobody has ever seen before. Its often kind of a downer too, pointing out other people's mistakes. Social media sites make their money through engagement. The longer you stay on their site, the more ads they can show you. As such, their default algorithms promote engagement at any cost . It turns out that this trains creators to spread clickbaity, potentially misleading, false but exciting and novel "information" (see paper [1] as well as Veritasium's youtube specific explanation [2]) You know what other thing spreads a lot? Outrage. Extreme reactions to spread of misinformation are also engaging. People will fight over them due to strong feelings: one side frustrated by seeing the effort put into debunking having absolutely no effect (because it doens't get promoted by the algorithms, nobo