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Poul-Henning Kamp's FOSDEM 2014 talk is a hypothetical account of how an intelligence agency such as the NSA would sabotage open source software, standards and online discussion. It covers Skype's history, OpenSSL and psyops against standards.

HN returned to it repeatedly, especially after Heartbleed, as an eye-opening argument about subverting open source and standards.

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@ensmotko2014-04 · in “"OpenSSL has exploit mitigation countermeasures to make sure it's exploitable"”

Check out phk's fosdem talk[0]. I've linked to the the part where he talks about openSSL, but I'd suggest watching the whole thing. I'm now starting to believe the talk wasn't a joke at all... [0] ▶ this video

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@TacticalCoder2014-04 · in “"OpenSSL has exploit mitigation countermeasures to make sure it's exploitable"”

There's a talk that was given in Belgium / Brussels at FOSDEM2014 two months ago or so by Poul-Henning Kamp (FreeBSD) regarding the NSA and how he'd do it if he had to create holes in software: ▶ this video He's talking specifically about OpenSSL quite a lot (basically saying it's too complex to ever be secure and probably received many "security patches" from NSA employees). The entire talk is an eye opener. He explains how NSA shills are reading reddit / HN and poisoning communities / standards / protocols / etc. How everything is made, on purpose, needlessly complex to prevent honest developers from working on important things. He talks about shills submitting a few correct patches over the months / years, slowly gaining reputation among the community and then misusing that trust to submit (not so) subtle patches introducing security holes on purpose. He mentions a few of the "common mantra" repeated often (including here) by people who have an interest in the status quo. He explains why SSL/TLS is broken and says that the "SEC" part of "DNSSEC" is not going to be that secure ; ) I think that the problem is much worse than most people think and that Poul-Henning Kamp is closer to the truth than the ones constantly repeating "bug happens" as if nothing malicious was ever going on.

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@askmike2019-10 · in “Signal: Incoming call can be connected without user interaction”

I think open-source software is great as well, but assuming these kind of bugs are found because you can inspect the code is very wishful thinking that doesn't always hold up. This specific example required a Google department to find it. Who would have found it if Google got restrained by the NSA?. Other notable examples include openSSL. On top of that, here is a great talk about how easy it would be to infiltrate open source projects: ▶ this video

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@no_identd2018-09 · in “Microwave Weapons Are Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers”

>I have this notion that surrounding a subject with basket case conspiracy theories would be a good way to get people not to take it seriously :) Indeed, it would. A lot of clever people have discussed the issue of disinfo & FUD, you might wish to: * Watch this talk from FOSDEM '14 by Poul-Henning Kamp [Contextually, one important tidbit to keep in mind while watching it: At the time phk gave the talk, the heartbleed vulnerability in OpenSSL wasn't yet known!]: ▶ this video * and, perhaps, read these two blog posts, but tread carefully with those two, as, unlike the above video, the below edges MOST dangerously close to basket case conspiracy theory territory - arguably, it doesn't get there, but I can definitely say that if one slips while looking into the below, one'll immediately end up in basket case territory: link link However, having said this & pointed out all of the above, before going down any of the above lanes, keep something else in mind: 1. Take a look at when some of these links got first published online . Multi-decade gap vs. original date of publication. Something unfortunately still the norm for a lot of old(er) scientific/academic literature. 2. Most of Frey's original papers from the 60s are still behind a HARD paywall. Again, unfortunately still the norm for a lot of old(er) scientific/academic literature. 3. The whole classified Radar tech research aspect of it (This whole avenue of research got started out when radar techs in the 60s started complaining

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@hackermailman2018-04 · in “Ask HN: What is your favourite tech talk?”

This talk was an interesting thought experiment by PhK of FreeBSD on how if he were tasked by some agency to sabotage open source projects and standards how he would go about doing it ▶ this video A talk by Robert Harper at OPLSS in 2017 is really good as well, covering the basics of programming language background link "concrete syntax is where computer science meets psychology.... at the moment it's all a matter of opinion"

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