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The Thirty Million Line Problem

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Casey Muratori's long talk arguing that modern software has ballooned to tens of millions of lines because of hardware and OS diversity. He proposes a stable ISA for entire system-on-a-chip packages and recalls when games shipped with their own boot disk.

HN recommends it, long as it is, as an eye-opening rant on software complexity and why systems became so complicated.

12 comments from Hacker News

@henning2024-10 · in “Show HN: One – A new React framework unifying web, native and local-first”

Yes, modern computer systems are unbelievably complicated from the application level down to the hardware. The consequences are absolutely devastating. ▶ this video

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@ropeadopepope2018-05 · in “Docker is a dangerous gamble”

This may be a little off topic, but has anybody watched Casey Muratori's proposal on SoC ISAs[0]? The video is long, but it's worth watching all of it. It sounds to me like a SoC ISA could make docker obsolete. If it ever happens, anyway. [0]: ▶ this video

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@frfl2023-11 · in “Ask HN: Article on software only increasing complexity?”

It's not what OP is looking for, but there's a relevant video I know of by a well known game-dev, The Thirty Million Line Problem - ▶ this video

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@drivers992023-03 · in “I wanted a beautiful computer and couldn't find one, so I made my own”

I would say just look around, but it's probably because of some of the information I've seen that opened my eyes to it, so I'll point you to these two talks: ▶ this video Preventing the Collapse of Civilization / Jonathan Blow link The Thirty Million Line Problem / Casey Muratori

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@posnet2022-06 · in “DevOps is a failure”

You are not alone in thinking that, see 'The Thirty Million Line' talk by Casey Muratori. (Long, but worth it, assuming you haven't seen it already) ▶ this video

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