"The Mess We're In" by Joe Armstrong

> "The mess we're in" famous talk by joe amstrong For anyone else: ▶ this video Fantastic watch, thanks for recommending. Sad to hear that Joe Armstrong passed away a few weeks ago.

That is so sad, he was in his late 60s and it seemed like he had a lot of life left in him, talking about how software can get better and having a great (and sometimes snarky) outlook on the profession. Highly recommend his thesis (2003) and a few of his great interviews/presentations for anyone who isn’t familiar with Joe, it captures a lot of what he thought about and pushed for in his professional life. link link ▶ this video link I hope his family and friends can find some comfort in how much he was appreciated and admired in the development community.

This is absolutely devastating! His talk "The Mess We're In" was one of those talks which were incredibly funny and informative at the same time. I absolutely lost it, when he told the story of the single comment his coworker put into the Erlang code.[1] Rest in peace! [1] ▶ this video

Reminds me of some of the remarks Joe Armstrong made a while ago [1], and which I came across via another submission a couple of weeks ago (which escapes me). It’s a great talk about the physical limits of computers and computation. [1] ▶ this video

For those that enjoyed the video you linked, Joe Armstrong's "The Mess We're In" talk could be interesting as well ▶ this video

Luddite is someone who is opposed to new technology, which doesn't apply here as the sentiment isn't about being opposed to the new tech but about the new tech not being taken advantage of. The software we build today is "vastly" more powerful in the sense that, strictly speaking, you can do more stuff, but it is way less powerful - and often broken - than what it could be, considering what you can see being possible on older hardware and what seems to be done in modern hardware. Also it isn't really something that happens today, here is a nice (and funny) talk from Joe Armstrong on the topic from almost 8 years ago[0]. Though this sort of sentiment goes way back, e.g. Wirth's classic "Plea for lean software" article from 1995[1]. (Joe's talk is more about the broken part and IMO he misidentifies the issue being about trying to make things fast when the real issue -that he also mentions- is that pretty much nobody knows what is really going on with the system itself) [0] ▶ this video [1] link

Agree, but people tend to stop at Fowler and live it as gospel. There is a profound richness in the different ways to think and talk about computers, engineering, and information science, far more wonderous than any one person can catalog. Read SICP, Knuth, Code Complete, Codd. Hell, just YouTube around. If your vocabulary is prescribed by literally one guy in a fedora, you gotta get out there. Might I suggest Joe Armstrong [1] :) [1] ▶ this video

Just re-watched his Strangeloop talk: “The mess we’re in”. Still so spot on. He will be dearly missed. ▶ this video

Joe Armstrong gives a very good talk about ideas in the article in "The Mess We're In" (2014): ▶ this video

How To Design A Good API and Why it Matters [0] The Principles of Clean Architecture [1] The State of the Art in Microservices by Adrian Cockcroft [2] "The Mess We're In" by Joe Armstrong [3] [0] link [1] link [2] link [3] ▶ this video

It isn't entirely true though. The original Erlang guys made Erlang: The Movie link and the sadly missed Joe Armstong made plenty of blog posts link and public appearances and expressed a number of strong opinions (though genially) ▶ this video . Robert Virding's public profile is not as high, but he's by no means in hiding either. link — or indeed link )

The discovery tax is actually something like O(n log n), because you have to also search and also compare. It's part of The Mess We're In[0]. 0. ▶ this video