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The Lighthill debate on Artificial Intelligence: "The general purpose robot is a mirage"

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The full 1973 BBC Lighthill debate on artificial intelligence, featuring James Lighthill, Donald Michie, Richard Gregory and John McCarthy. It documents the argument that preceded the 1970s AI winter and includes early robot demos.

HN cites it as primary-source history of AI hype and skepticism, and for the vintage Freddy robot footage.

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@AndrewOMartin2019-12 · in “Review of “Artificial Intelligence: A General Survey” (1993)”

Anyone interested in the History of AI can also watch the report being presented by Lighthill, and subsequently debated by John McCarthy, Donald Michie, and Richard Gregory. ▶ this video

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@YeGoblynQueenne2025-04 · in “DeepMind program finds diamonds in Minecraft without being taught”

Nice robot demo. Here's another one: ▶ this video A robot assembling a puzzle with machine vision! And it's only from the 1970's.

@huppeldepup2024-01 · in “The Global Project to Make a General Robotic Brain”

I'd like you to view this demo from 1974 that showcases the then current state of research in AI. Then reflect that the research presented in the link is 50 years later. ▶ this video

@masswerk2022-10 · in “AI Hyperopia”

Ah, the AI versus advanced automation debate and the Lighthill Report (UK, 1973). [1] Report: link [2] Video of the public debate: ▶ this video

@YeGoblynQueenne2022-07 · in “Translating a Visual Lego Manual to a Machine-Executable Plan”

To be honest, 89-92% sounds too optimistic for a real-world application. But I was talking about applications of the lego assembly model. My intuition is that lego is a special case: the pieces are made to interlock with each other and there are only a small number of ways in which two pieces can lock together. Compare this with building a prefab house, for example, or a car, where elements must be bound together with nails, mortar, soldering, or glue etc, in essentially unpredictable ways. I say that the approach described is pointless because I can't see any real-world applications of extracting assembly plans from a visualisation of an already-known assembly plan. Even less so when the object assembled is just a toy. And it's been possible to assemble toys using machine vision, given a pre-determined set of instructions, from the 1970's already: (Donald Michie presenting the Edinburgh Research Purpose General Assembly Robot, a.k.a. "Freddy"): ▶ this video More info of Freddy here link Freddy was tediously hand-programmed with a full plan but it used vision and touch to find the pieces of the toy it assembles in the video.