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Why is light slower in glass? - Sixty Symbols

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Professor Mike Merrifield of Nottingham explains in a mostly uncut conversation why light travels slower in glass. He treats light as a wave and describes how the material's electrons produce secondary waves that combine to slow it.

HN cites it whenever the popular absorb-and-re-emit explanation comes up, as a source for the wave-interference account.

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@73737373732019-12 · in “New Material Breaks World Record Turning Heat into Electricity”

This reminds me of this Sixty Symbols video which explains why light is slower in media such as glass than in a vacuum: ▶ this video The incoming light wave causes an avalanche of secondary waves through electromagnetically perturbing the individual atoms, and the superposition of all these results in a wave that seems to travel slower than the speed of light.

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@wruza2021-09 · in “Scientists create matter from pure light, proving the Breit-Wheeler effect”

Both ideas are incorrect. Bouncing around would be random and the outgoing light would be scattered (as in matte reflections) in all directions. Absorbtion simply destroys the original light. If photons are mostly absorbed, we call that “a wall” or ”a fog”, not “a transparent medium”, which to be transparent shouldn’t have electrons whose energy level differences correspond to a photon’s wave length. The transparency and slowdown effect is a complex interaction between fields in the medium, which I honestly don’t have enough courage to retell. ▶ this video

@vecter2020-12 · in “Well, Actually – Physics Answers”

> Well, actually, the speed of light is constant, it just takes time to ping-pong around a lattice/gas. Photons hit particles, get absorbed, and re-emitted, which causes an effective slowdown at a larger scale. A gas is just vacuum with particles floating around in it. When photons travel between those particles, they are traveling at c. The effective slowdown is determined by the lattice/gas, and we denote this slowdown with the refractive index... This is wrong. Two sources [0][1]. [0] link [1] ▶ this video

@andreareina2020-11 · in “Warp Drive News”

Absorption and re-emission are probabilistic, so you'd expect experiments to show a spread distribution of propagation times, deflection angles, etc that aren't actually observed. The explanation gets into looking at light as a wave. ▶ this video link

@irjustin2020-08 · in “Do we really travel through time with the speed of light?”

downvoted because time traveling through a medium vs traveling through curved space are not anywhere near the same underlying principles[0]. The implication being suggested is - if I was trapped in a block of plastic or... underwater, I would experience time different compared to someone standing on land just because "c" is slower. Clearly not the case. To be specific, when "the speed of light" is discussed like this, it usually means the "speed of causality"[1] which is the underlying meaning of "c" in relativity. The speed of causality through a medium (i.e. water) is the same as a vacuum if spacetime curvature is the same. [0] ▶ this video [1] link