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Energy Vault -BUSTED!

Thunderf00tCited 6× on HN, 2019–2022
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commentary · intermediate · 2019–2022 on HN

A Thunderf00t video debunking Energy Vault, a gravity-based energy storage scheme that stacks concrete blocks with cranes. He argues it is impractical and compares it to pseudoscience.

Used as a critical reference to argue gravity energy storage is impractical, not as a general recommendation.

6 comments from Hacker News

@ncmncm2022-06 · in “If it isn't going to work, just shut it down”

link ▶ this video link Softbank invested. What else do you need to know? By contrast, this is not stupid: link They might still not execute well, but the idea is sound. What is different? They use a single weight, up to thousands of tons. It is suspended in a disused mineshaft, up to a kilometer deep, protected from weather. The one weight just goes up and down, i.e. it has just two moving parts, the weight and the winch. Winches are extra-mature technology. They are talking about sealing the shaft and compressing hydrogen into it. And, maybe storing heat there, besides. Both ideas are also simple, but they don't have to work for the product to be viable; if they do work, they add value. My impression is they added those so their solution could seem more "innovative": the weight in the shaft, by itself, is a sure thing , so probably missed out on some long-shot seed subsidies. Funding in the energy sector is not well aligned. They will probably need to figure ways to get their cost lower. Batteries are approaching $200/MWh, with people expecting that to hit $100. Certain chemistries ("Form") are quoting $20, but are probably over-optimistic. 50 years operation with no degradation could beat a nominally cheaper system that needs the expensive part replaced regularly.

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@blueblisters2021-04 · in “Gravity batteries try to beat chemical ones with winches, weights, mine shafts”

Wasn’t Energy Vault debunked as being too impractical? Here: ▶ this video These guys “solve” the wind and control problem by digging a 300m deep pipe for the weights.

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@sthnblllII2021-01 · in “Gravity Energy Storage: Alternative to batteries for grid storage”

Several physical and technological factors make Energy Vault completely impractical. Dr Philip Mason explains them here: ▶ this video

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@aaron6952021-01 · in “Gravity Energy Storage: Alternative to batteries for grid storage”

This idea is nuts, just watch ▶ this video if you don't understand why. Does no one do fundamentals at school anymore, water is around the same density as concrete (~2.4 times smaller) except you can just use a simple pump. The reason they use concrete in these designs is because if they used water people would say it's stupid. That's literally the reason. It's the same for mineshafts. These concepts are introduced to confuse you. "But pumped hydro requires some very specific geography—two big reservoirs of water" So does concrete. Expect you are building the geography and it'll be around the same size if it stores around the same energy.

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@dimnsionofsound2020-09 · in “Nuclear power: Are we too anxious about the risks of radiation?”

I’m not sure this idea is all that they’re marketing it as. Here’s a video discussing the drawbacks [0], the guy doing the video can be kind of abrasive at times but worth watching/skimming as a counterpoint. [0]: ▶ this video

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