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Ptolemy and Homer (Simpson)

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A short animation reconstructing a planet's looping orbit using Ptolemy's epicycles and deferents, with the epicycles tracing out the face of Homer Simpson. It shows how enough circles can reproduce nearly any shape.

HN uses it as a vivid demonstration that Fourier series and epicycles can fit anything, and as a warning about models with too much wiggle room.

9 comments from Hacker News

@jordigh2016-10 · in “Opposition to Galileo was scientific, not just religious”

I tl;dr'ed the article (sorry), but I wanted to say one thing about epicycles. They are not wrong and certainly can be used to explain motion, but the problem with them is that you can keep adding epicycles to fit any continuous orbit at all (this actually is because a Fourier series can converge to any continuous periodic function). This is my favourite visualisation of this fact: ▶ this video

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@JadeNB2015-10 · in “Fourier visualised”

I'm only seeing an image, with no explanation, and it took me a while to realise what it was showing; so, in case anyone else is puzzled by it, each image is the sum of the previous one with a new factor (indicated by the "wheels upon wheels"). I think that the reconstruction of Homer Simpson's face (which I think I originally saw thanks to OP ColinWright!) may be a more convincing demonstration of the power of Fourier transforms: ▶ this video . There's a Nautilus article about it, too: link (EDIT: and an HN post discussing that: link ).

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@TheMakeA2013-11 · in “Fourier Toy”

These guys are one of the reasons I love mathematics. Check this out too: ▶ this video Edit: Didn't realize that this was also linked to in another thread on the front page as well.

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@codethief2022-02 · in “The best proof that the Earth spins”

> This is not an assumption, there is no circular reasoning. Of course it is an assumption. A star moving across the sky is not a proof by any means. > And we observe different parallaxes for different stars, meaning that stars are not all on the same distance from earth. No, we don't measure different parallaxes for different stars. We measure different trajectories for different stars across our night sky and then, using the assumption that Earth rotates and that it is on an orbit around the sun, we conclude that there must be a parallax effect involved in the observed trajectory of the star which we can then use to estimate its distance to us. > So, this way you prove that the earth moves and stars have different parallaxes and are not all attached to a crystal sphere. I don't see a problem here. To see that what you're referring to as "proof" is no proof at all, consider that Ptolemy's epicycles (i.e. the elaborate version of the crystal spheres) are just a Fourier series and can therefore be used to describe any periodic movement across the sky. (Without you having to know anything about whether Earth rotates or not.) For a very impressive example see ▶ this video .

@whatshisface2021-10 · in “Is the great neutrino puzzle pointing to multiple missing particles?”

This isn't an elephant but it demonstrates the principle: ▶ this video Epicycles were originally considered a good idea because it takes exactly two circles to make an ellipse, and Kepler's laws were satisfied by such an ellipse. They were "falsified,", in the two-cycle form, when closer observations revealed that Kepler's laws were not obeyed exactly. At that point, the choice was to either add more epicycles (working your way up to an elephant), or for Newton to discover universal gravitation.