Body-Cam Video Of Daniel Shaver Shooting | Los Angeles Times

Is it the first video of American law enforcement shooting someone that triggered this reaction? This is from 8 years ago: ▶ this video . Extreme violence has been normalized among American LEOs for a long time now. Look up "killology" for some more on this. If you're in US, check if your local PD or sheriff's office signed up its agents for a Dave Grossman seminar or training course; you might be unpleasantly surprised. And now that ICE job ads are essentially an open invitation to come be violent for a "righteous cause", it's exactly those types of people that end up there in even larger concentrations. But make no mistake, none of this is new in any way other than the sheer scale of it.

Well, not quite. Cops can do this: ▶ this video And get away with it as a "justified" killing. Any regular person in the same situation would have been convicted of murder.

The American police is the most powerful gang in the country, not the least because they're largely immune to legal repercussions for the crimes they commit. For example, this is not a murder, somehow: ▶ this video

That's funny[0]. I'm not American, so don't pull the white guilt card on me. I've spent a total of 12 days in the US in my life, and I was pointed a gun by the police once. That's infinity percent more than in any other country I've lived visited or lived in, and I've traveled my fair share off the beaten path. When they saw their mistake, they spouted the generic excuse that I matched a description, something that wouldn't fly in any other first world country, but is somehow accepted in the US. Anyway, I'm white and I did nothing wrong, so I guess that officer just pointed that gun as joke with no intention to kill,[1] right? US police kills citizens at a rate seen only in developing countries. According to the wiki[2], US police kills 10 times as often per capita as the worst European offender of significant population (France), and ranks higher than places like Angola, Colombia or Rwanda, that have insanely higher crime rates. Let that sink in, and think whether the problem is race based or not. But don't worry, Biden won, the rates will remain the same but it will no longer be an issue worth being reported in the media ;) [0] link [1] ▶ this video [2] link

> There's plenty of videos of white people being killed by police that you all just ignore. Two perfect examples are the videos of Daniel Leetin Shaver ( ▶ this video ) and Tony Timpa ( link ). Ending qualified immunity, no-knock warrants, civil asset forfeiture, over-criminalization, mandatory minimums and militarization of police are not race specific issues. They affect all Americans.

> You can't logically defeat bigots in a way that actually matters to them. The goal of public debate is never to persuade the person you're debating, it's to persuade those watching the debate. Sometimes you can persuade the person you're talking to, but that take a lot more sophisticated understanding of the other person than you're going to achieve if you simply dismiss them as illogical. > If this were the case, then there wouldn't be bigots. That simply doesn't follow. Bigots do change their minds sometimes, slowly over time. > The existence of systemic racism is not controversial among experts and hasn't been for a long time. Yet people insist on arguing about it forever. They don't care that logical arguments dismantle their beliefs. It's not that they don't care, it's that they don't agree that they are logical. Keep in mind, also, that logic is only as good as the evidence you feed into it. Logic in a vacuum of evidence is completely useless. People don't always change, but they do sometimes change. Also, keep in mind that censorship isn't the only poor strategy the left is employing here. Sure, getting rid of censorship and just arguing with people won't fix things, but that's in part because the argumentation of the left is crap too. The cry of many people on the left these days is, "Come to the left, we'll call you a racist!" and they're surprised when this actually pushes people to the right . People think minds can't be changed because they've never actually lea

> How effective has "confronting fascism with the truth" ever been, when the fascist is not being upfront about it, but rather posting hundreds of subtly racist memes and dog whistles to reddit? I don't feel like I did this question justice with my previous answer. The most obvious example would be the George Floyd video, and in a larger sense, the extremely effective tool of filming police as they harass, plant evidence on, beat, and murder the people they're supposed to serve. In the current situation, I think the results of that video speak for themselves. In response to the pervasive narrative that focuses on looters and not on cops murdering black people (I linked to five minutes in, but the whole thing is worth a watch): link This tends to be persuasive in my experience. This doesn't address racism because it's a white guy, but I find it's effective in getting people to take the complete lack of police accountability more seriously: ▶ this video That officer (Philip Brailsford) was acquitted in a trial where the prosecutor moved to strike the video from evidence, and then the officer was rehired by Mesa Police briefly, before being given early medical retirement based on a claim of PTSD from the murder, earning him a $2500/mo pension. Watch any of those videos that you haven't seen, and see how that feels, and realize that that's how they make people who were on the fence about these issues feel.

Who the hell are these juries that are allowing cops to get away with murder? As much as people like to complain about how corrupt the police are in how they cover up for each other, cases like this are decided by juries. EDIT: If you haven't seen the video [0], you really should before commenting. This cop had no interest in actually apprehending Daniel Shaver. If he did, he would've done a more standard procedure like telling him to lay on his stomach with his hands either forward or on his back. There was no reason to tell him to walk forward on his knees, legs cross behind him, and arms up. You try doing that. Maintaining balance is a bit difficult. Now imagine trying to do that with the police pointing a gun at you. This cop wanted to kill someone and create a story where he was the hero. For fuck's sake, the cop had "YOU'RE FUCKED" etched into the side of his gun! [0] ▶ this video

Or aggressively pulling his trousers up whilst lying in a hallway begging for his life. Warning, this is terrible: ▶ this video