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How To Tell Someone They Sound Racist

Jay SmoothCited 9× on HN, 2011–2021
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commentary · general · evergreen · 2011–2021 on HN

Jay Smooth's short video on how to tell someone their words sound racist. He argues for focusing on what the person said or did rather than labeling who they are.

HN commenters cite it in arguments about criticism, to separate attacking a comment from attacking a person.

9 comments from Hacker News

@pseudalopex2021-12 · in “Vivaldi: Violating CoC on forum may close your email account”

The point was you said it was intended to poke fun at traditional chivalry like it was a fact. But it was just your speculation. We define chivalrous differently apparently. And I never heard of someone trying to flatter a 21 year old man by wishing him a happy 60th birthday. What they said and what kind of person they are are 2 different discussions.[1] Well meaning people accept constructive criticism. I know people who would like what you wrote better. I know people who would think telling them you're sure they didn't mean something was insincere and condescending. The 1st reply that mentioned the attempted joke just said please don't make sexist comments.[2] It was appropriate for an aside on a technical mailing list. The joker could have replied off list if they didn't understand. They doubled down instead like you said. Someone else called it cancel culture and called other people hypocrites. Someone else compared it to witch burning. Someone else implied assuming good intentions meant ignoring anything unintentionally objectionable. The reaction to that was someone proposed a different standard. The reaction to that was trolling. [1] ▶ this video [2] link

@pseudalopex2021-05 · in “What Are “Unusual Characters”?”

You're turning a discussion about what someone did into a discussion about who they are.[1] [1] ▶ this video

@pseudalopex2021-02 · in ““Silicon Valley’s Safe Space” has misinformed readers”

They didn't say or ask if he turned into a misogynist. The question is about what he said. Not what he is.[1] [1] ▶ this video

@peteforde2018-09 · in “Terry Davis has died”

When telling someone that something they said was racist, it's important to keep it focused not on the person but the act. Racism and prejudice is learned, and it can certainly be unlearned. Unfortunately, you cannot unlearn mental illness. ▶ this video

@ahelwer2015-02 · in “Facebook's Name Policy Strikes Again, This Time at Native Americans”

The developers are not racist. My entire original point is their attitudes and intents were irrelevant. The system they created is very much racist, completely independent about how they felt in creating it; I'm not sure how you can really dispute that. The venerable Jay Smooth describes a closely-related distinction here[0]. Also, when you describe a system as racist that's somewhat different from describing a person as racist, which might be a place we're talking past each other. Re: the culture/race/ethnicity terminology quagmire, the sister comment by dragonwriter explains it well. [0] ▶ this video