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Why Spotify Will Ultimately Fail

Benn Jordan3 HN recommenders · recommended in 3 months, 2023–2024
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Benn Jordan argues that Spotify's business model undermines the music it sells, using streaming payout figures and the economics for artists and labels.

Commenters recommend it as an artist's informed explanation of streaming economics and why Spotify pays so little compared with alternatives like Bandcamp.

6 comments from Hacker News

@thomastjeffery2023-12 · in “Spotify cuts almost 1,600 jobs amid rising costs”

The magic word is "growth". For context, I find this artist's explanation of the situation helpful: ▶ this video

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@jasode2023-08 · in “Ask HN: What are the economics of a streaming based record label?”

This 17 minute video has a few streaming numbers: ▶ this video I don't agree with all his predictions and conclusions but you can watch it for the data and see if it applies to your business plans.

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@consumer4512023-01 · in “Spotify is first music streaming service to surpass 200M paid subscribers”

Benn Jordan, aka The Flashbulb, made a recent video titled: "Why Spotify Will Ultimately Fail" (Because they are screwing artists, on whom they depend to generate streamable content.) As an example, he made 3x on Bandcamp vs Spotify for the same album. ▶ this video

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@brink2024-06 · in “Spotify is increasing US prices again”

> “So that we can continue to invest in and innovate on our product features and bring users the best experience, we occasionally update our prices,” I don't care about your innovation. I haven't cared about a single new feature that's come out from Spotify in the last 5-7 years. I find myself listening to Spotify less than ever these days anyway. These prices are too much for me, so after ~10 years of premium Spotify, I'll be cancelling this month because I'm not getting enough value. I'll find other avenues of discovering new music. Benn Jordan predicted the demise of Spotify last year, and I'm starting to believe he might be right. ▶ this video

@konart2023-12 · in “Spotify cuts almost 1,600 jobs amid rising costs”

▶ this video For those against clicking: 00:00:00 - 00:15:00 The author of the video argues that Spotify will ultimately fail due to the high cost of membership, the fact that streaming services pay independent musicians less than traditional music platforms, and the company's neglect of its only asset - its artists. 00:00:00 The author of the video argues that Spotify will ultimately fail because of the high cost of membership and the fact that streaming services pay independent musicians less than traditional music platforms. 00:05:00 The author of the video makes the case that Spotify will eventually fail because of its business model, which relies on rapid growth and unsustainable levels of value in the music industry. He argues that if Spotify's independent musicians were paid more fairly, the platform would be unable to survive. 00:10:00 The author of the video argues that Spotify will eventually fail due to the company's neglect of its only asset - its artists. The author believes that this neglect will lead to the eventual collapse of the streaming music industry as a whole. However, he also believes that this collapse will be hastened by the fact that for-profit companies are required to eventually pay their investors as little as possible. 00:15:00 The author of this video argues that streaming services like Spotify will ultimately fail because they rely on artificial scarcity (i.e. the notion that there are not enough songs available to listen to on the platform). They