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How an Average Family in Tokyo Can Buy a New Home

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A mini-documentary by a Canadian living in Japan explaining how an average family can afford a new detached house in Tokyo. It covers how houses are treated as depreciating assets and how Japanese zoning and building practices keep prices low.

It is the standard citation in HN housing debates for showing that dense cities can still have affordable single-family homes.

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@bane2020-04 · in “An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month”

Decent family houses in Tokyo are definitely more expensive than this, but not hugely (also Kyoto surprisingly). There's some interesting things about the Japanese housing market, for example, many homes become "worthless" after the end of the mortgage -- so they depreciate and are more like buying cars. Tokyo is also an absolutely enormous city with even more massive metro area. There's very few examples on the planet that come close. Tokyo is sometimes called "the infinite city" for good reason. This means that yes, you can pay huge money for a coffin in some areas, and little money for an entire house elsewhere in the same city. New York is kind of the same way in that respect, but is actually still smaller and less diverse. I could write a ton more, but I think this series from "Life Where I'm From" which is pointed out in the article is a fantastic overview of housing for a nuclear family in Tokyo. How an Average Family in Tokyo Can Buy a New Home - ▶ this video Brand New Japanese House Tour - link Are Japanese Homes Really Worthless After 30 Years? - link Old Japanese Apartment vs. New House - link What a Very Old Japanese House is Like - link Living in Traditional Japanese Townhouses: Kyo-machiya - link Checking Out New Japanese House Design and Technology - link I'd also point out this young couple who are expecting their first child (Paolo from Tokyo) What a Japanese Moving Company in Tokyo is like - link $1500 Japanese Apartment Tour in Tokyo Shibuya - [LIN

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@seanmcdirmid2022-01 · in “The history of the end of poverty has just begun”

Here is a nice video explaining housing affordability in Tokyo: ▶ this video Notes: * No one thinks of residential housing as an investment, so there is no speculation. * Building codes are such that residential can be built almost anywhere. Japan has zoning, it is just really simplified. * There is no resistance to rebuilding, so it is done a lot (why houses last only 30 years, the market demands new housing). * Housing can be built on really small lots, only 2 meters of clearance is required. * A $300k low end house is around 6-700 SQF, which might not make sense from an American context.

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@monkeypizza2018-01 · in “Why Is 'Affordable' Housing So Expensive to Build?”

Check out this video explaining why you can buy new detached homes in Tokyo for about 300k usd. ▶ this video * Land owners have an absolute right to develop their own land - neighbors can't block you. * You can build a 60 m^2 x 3 floor house on 100m^2 of land, or more. So basically they build way denser, and reduce opportunities to block/rentseek.

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@houseatrielah2023-11 · in “280M e-bikes and mopeds are cutting demand for oil far more than electric cars”

How an Average Family in Tokyo Can Buy a New (detacted single-family) Home (for about $300k in Tokyo Proper) ▶ this video There's more urban dwelling options than just skyscraper. Low Japanese fertility appears to be a product of their work culture; you don't have time to go on dates if you leave the office at 10pm.

@sgu9992023-03 · in “Cyclists Now Outnumber Motorists in City of London”

I think the main drives are real estate investments and centralisation... Tokyo doesn't really have these issues in part due to cultural differences but also due to better regulations on urbanism. [ ] [ ] ▶ this video