How to green the world's deserts and reverse climate change | Allan Savory
TED9 HN recommenders · recommended in 9 months, 2013–2023
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Allan Savory's TED talk arguing that desertification of grasslands can be reversed with holistic managed grazing, which he says would also help reverse climate change. TED notes that other scientists have challenged his claims.
HN commenters bring it up in climate and food threads as a hopeful, if contested, idea about grazing and soil carbon.
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> This view ran counter to a lot of conservationist thought, as well as a great deal of evidence. Grazing has been blamed for turning vast swaths of the world into deserts. But from Creque’s perspective, how you graze makes all the difference. This is the idea behind this fantastic TED talk: ▶ this video We're largely focused on high-tech ways to "fix" the Earth, but the Earth has known how to do it since forever. Finding ways to use her own intelligence seems like a great idea.
> I'm not entirely convinced by this argument. It’s been proven by Allen Savory and others, you can check his Ted talk here ▶ this video Even if lab grown meat is the next best thing since sliced bread it would be a complete climate disaster to not continue, and expand, holistic cattle farming.
When the herd eat grass it stimulates grass growth and grass is a huge carbon sink. there is a cool ted talk about this. ▶ this video
Glad to see this, a great related TED talk by Allan Savory that introduces why this is true can be found here ▶ this video
This Ted talk gave me hope to reverse climate change and seems plausible: ▶ this video Does anyone know / have experience whether this actually works?
We can manage grassland and savanah. Grasses exudate a lot of their sugars (carbon) into the ground feeding the microbes. Holistically managed grassing is all about timing the regrowth and recycling the nutrients and fibers through the cow. The prairies are amazing ecosystem pumping carbon into the ground when properly managed. The knowledge is available, but this ted talk only has 2 million views. ▶ this video
But those are often desert. And desertification could (in part) be caused by overly protecting the area (e.g. not allowing cattle). Good video to watch: ▶ this video
Reminds me about this TED talk ▶ this video where Allan Savory speaks about the behavior of herbivores with/without predators and the impact on flora. Fascinating, really. I hope the day will come when we understand the biosphere of this wonderful planet we live on.
I would eat dog if it wasn't raised as someone's pet. Actually I just got back from Vietnam, and I'm pretty sure I ate both dog and cat at some point. Didn't bother me because they didn't raise them as pets. They raised them with the intention of eating every little bit (without wasting any part of the animal, I might add). You can grow fond of plenty of the animals that we eat on a normal basis, pigs in particular. We also have a tendency to anthropomorphize animals which can lead to attachment. Factory farming is indeed a huge problem, because it requires so much fossil fuel, grain, and antibiotics, and destroys the land and causes global warming. But the fix is not to stop eating animals, the answer is to go back to the roots of the ecosystem and actually raise more animals. Ever heard of Alan Savory? Check it out. ▶ this video
Thanks for some info to catch up on. I've seen another step described where you bring in a mobile chicken coop a few days after the cows have departed to eat the insects that arrived to eat the poop. Also keeping the cows a little while means they eat up all the "weed" plants and not just the tastier stuff —"eat your vegetables" type of thing—while if they free graze they only take the best tasting grasses and move on. How to green the world's deserts and reverse climate change | Allan Savory (TED talk) ▶ this video
It is a too large field for one to research alone, but I am familiar with the effort to track global leaf area and desertification. So here is my small contribution to the discussion: 2013: "Desertification is a fancy word for land that is turning to desert" begins Allan Savory in this quietly powerful talk. And terrifyingly, it's happening to about two-thirds of the world's grasslands, accelerating climate change and causing traditional grazing societies to descend into social chaos." ▶ this video 2014: Global Greening Is Firm, Drivers Are Mixed - Harvard "Evidence for global greening is converging, asserting an increase in CO2 uptake and biomass of the terrestrial biosphere. Evidence for these trends comes from firm empirical data." link 2016: Greening of the globe and its drivers - Nature "Satellite records from 1982–2009 show a persistent and widespread increase of leaf area (greening) over 25% to 50% of the global vegetated area, whereas less than 4% of the globe shows decreasing leaf area (browning)." link Elevated CO2 as a driver of global dryland greening - Nature "Recent regional scale analyses using satellite based vegetation indices such as the Normalized Difference Vegetation Index (NDVI), have found extensive areas of “greening”" link Rise in CO2 has 'greened Planet Earth' link "Prof Judith Curry, the former chair of Earth and atmospheric sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology, added: "It is inappropriate to dismiss the arguments of the so-called cont
We have got to organize geoengineering efforts before the ocean currents stop. What I'm worried is a sudden shift in climate that kills billions of us, in an event that occurs within the next 10-30 years. Release of methane hydrates trapped in ice and methane bursting out of the tundra scares the hell out of me. Cooperation from governments is necessary to actually implement it, but I think it is a mistake to try to rely on those institutions. Why do I think this? Our government bungled development of reusable rockets for decades until SpaceX came along and just did it. You can quibble about how much NASA provided in seed money, but that's really not what I'm trying to get at here. My second example for why we can't rely on the government is the way the Coronavirus pandemic played out. We watch the slow-moving train wreck from January onward. Every single one of our institutions failed us! In fact, many of those institutions prevented individual action, with respect to testing: link Finally, I think Allan Savory is also part of the answer. ▶ this video