Bell's Theorem: The Quantum Venn Diagram Paradox
minutephysics8 HN recommenders · recommended in 5 months, 2019–2024
explainer · general · evergreen · 2019–2024 on HN
MinutePhysics, with 3Blue1Brown, explains Bell's theorem using a Venn diagram paradox and polarizing filters. It shows why no local hidden variable theory can reproduce quantum correlations.
Repeatedly recommended as the most accessible explanation of Bell's inequality, reducing it to a simple counting problem.
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12 comments from Hacker News
I really enjoyed this Minute Physics and 3Blue1Brown video describing hidden variables and Bell's theorem: ▶ this video As you said, it's implies that we're not failing to measure some "hidden variable" that would explain probabilities away, but that the vary nature of these objects is probabilistic.
Part of this is because of tests like the ones involved with Bells theorem. Minute physics does a better job explaining it then I can. ▶ this video
I can also suggest a video that seemed to me to explain Bell's theorem and what it means that the correlations are stronger than classically possible here: [0] ▶ this video
Why Quantum Mechanics I have no idea. Why interpretations: There is an experiment you can do that is hard to explain: Either particles are able to somehow influence each other faster than light (non-local), or the particle somehow doesn't exist except when interacting with some other particle (non-real). Try this video: ▶ this video the AHA moment in the video comes when you realize you can entangle the light and that adding a filter by one stream of light somehow causes the other stream of light to also be influenced.
Minute Physics and 3brown1blue did a two part collab that simplifies some of it down to a counting problem that'd be suitable for grade school. ▶ this video link
I found these two videos very helpful in understanding the quantum nature of light after being stuck in the same spot: ▶ this video link (Watch those in order, because they're a collaboration between two YouTubers)
My goal wasn't to explain a "correct" view quantum physics, only to demonstrate at a cursory level that a binary computer's bits differs from a quantum computer's qbits. Quantum physics is not intuitive and attempting to use a classical understanding of probability will get you in trouble. I highly suggest looking at videos on YouTube, which have a far better explanations on the actual behavior of quantum computation. This is a very good video on Bell's Inequality: ▶ this video
> Are you saying an omniscient being is impossible, because something about quantum mechanics implies that it is impossible to possess all possible knowledge? > Or are you saying that even if an omniscient being possesses all possible knowledge, they would nevertheless be unable to accurately predict all sequences because of some knowledge we have about quantum mechanics? That's an extremely astute question. I'm impressed that you managed to realize that that's an important distinction and that you don't know which it is. It's actually the latter, and incredibly we can prove it. And the proof of this is surprisingly accessible: ▶ this video
What you are describing is a "hidden variable" theory. They are disproved by the experiments of the Bell's inequality. It's more weird, much more weird. Let's continue with your experiment about the pair of red or green socks. If you and your friend measure if they are red-or-green, both will get the same results. This can be explained with a classical theory. Nobody disagree with that. The weird part is that you can measure if they are 50%red and 50%green! Can I call it yellow? This makes no sense with classical socks and colors, but it makes sense for quantum particles and other properties. But there are two ways to combine 50%red and 50%green, the technical notation is (R+G)/sqrt(2) and (R-G)/sqrt(2), one with a plus and one with a minus. Can I call them good-yellow and bad-yellow? Or you prefer yellow and blue? In one of the experiments, red means vertical and green horizontal, so one of the combinations is a 45° diagonal like this / and the other is a 45° diagonal like this \. You don't need fancy equipment to measure the combinations, it's just a polarizer rotated 45°. Can I call them yellow and backyelow? I prefer good-yellow and bad-yellow because it's more clear that something weird is happening. If you measure red-or-green and your friends measures good-yellow-or-bad-yellow, then the results will not be correlated. If you got "red", your friend has a 50% probability of getting good-yellow and a 50% probability of getting bad-yellow. There is nothing to explain here.
There are reliable ways to create superposition particles: when you measure in one direction, the other direction is a superposition ( link ). I have no idea how to create entangled superposition particles: maybe read link . You can tell the particles are in a superposition because they behave differently than those in a static state: - Double-split experiment: link - only particles in a superposition create interference patterns - Bell's paradox: link , link - entangled particles in a superposition can be measured to make predictions with more confidence than if they were simply static particles with different states I guess a good search term would be "Polarized light and quantum mechanics" because IMO polarized light is a good example which you can even simulate yourself if you have a polarizing filter ( ▶ this video , link , link )
The concern that the article presents - that the middle filter influences the light and thus allows it to pass through the third filter - is actually addressed in popular quantum mechanics explanations that use the 3 filter experiment. They say that if we use two entangled photons and let them fly far apart, then pass one of them through two filters, and the second photon through the middle filter, the first photon will be affected - it will get a chance to pass though the pair of filters. That they say is "spooky action at distance" - the second photon will influence behaviour of the first photon at the remote site of the experiment and the "influence" is faster then the speed of light. Example here by MinutePhysics and 3Blue1Brown: ▶ this video Explanation about entanglement starts at around 8:50. But even with that addressed, to me personally this video is not satisfying. If the spooky action at distance can be observed so trivially - choosing a filter at one site site affects what happens at the remote site - we don't need a mathematical inequality (the Bell's inequality), it's already so obviously spooky. There are also serious problems with clarity of their explanation, as I commented in ▶ this video and ▶ this video I am not sure the real Bell experiments are really done using 3 polarizing filters and will the effect really be observed in experiment with two remote sites. My conclusion, it's problematic to rely on "pupular science" explanations, even by good channels like MinutePhysi
Yeah it is a common misconception. There is also a minutephysics video on it ( ▶ this video ) that portrays the effect of polarising filters in a misleading/wrong way, leading to further confusion. Polarisation is used in many books and courses as a familiar classical system, which we then use to springboard into Stern-Gerlach, which actually is an inherently quantum effect. Polarisation already appears when writing down the full solution to the classical EM wave equation. On the other hand, the similar effect seen in the Stern-Gerlach experiment with the angular momentum measurements is not: the non-commutivity of the angular momentum operator for different measurement axes is a purely quantum phenomenon.