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Why Some Diseases Only Traveled One Direction

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CGP Grey explains why European diseases devastated the Americas while few deadly diseases traveled the other way. He ties it to livestock domestication, dense cities, and the ideas of Guns, Germs and Steel.

HN commenters point to it as a clear, short explanation of one-directional disease spread and the core argument of Guns, Germs, and Steel.

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@bigmattystyles2022-10 · in “How the ‘black death’ left its genetic mark on future generations”

Expanding on this, CGP Grey had this amazing video ( ▶ this video ) of why European diseases in the Americas were so bad on the people that were already here when the two worlds met but you hardly heard of Europeans getting any super contagious illness from the people living in the Americas. Meaning European genomes had some adaptations (as well as antibodies?) from dense and unsanitary living, as well as animal farming in European prior to contact whereas that type of living setup was rarer in the Americas.

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@vinceguidry2015-11 · in “The New China Syndrome: American business meets its new master”

> So any theory of "geographical stunting" would need to explain what changed in the geography after 1492. What changed was technology. Once you have ships going back and forth across the Atlantic, everything changes. Europeans introduced cows, sheep, pigs, chickens. The New World's only domesticable native animal is the llama, which is the main reason why civilizations sprung up in Central and the northern parts of South America, that's where llamas were. Now, to the Europeans, with vastly superior farming technology, the Caribbean and North America were veritable cornucopias of geopolitical possibility. Islands sheltered plantations. Europe could project real power only very closely to the shore, where the big naval guns could reach. The reason was supply. To maintain a group of soldiers requires not just food but adequate clothing, weapons, ammunition, and horses to carry all of that. It took over a century of growth for a colony to get to the point to where it could maintain and supply an army for deeper treks inland. By that time the colonies would have been deeply entrenched in native political systems. Because the warships protecting your colony could only hang around for so long, colonies were quite vulnerable to native military action, or even just having them hang around outside the settlement and killing whoever goes outside, say, to chop wood. It made sense for settlers to be nice to the locals, at least at first. CGPGrey just put out a fantastic video comparing t

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@akerl_2023-08 · in “FDA Approves First Oral Treatment for Postpartum Depression”

▶ this video is a good watch here, if you're curious why Europeans didn't catch reciprocal plagues when traveling to the Americas. Spoiler: it's what the adjacent comment said, the Americas didn't have the factors for plagues.

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@Hokusai2021-10 · in “Vikings lived in North America by at least the year 1021”

CGP Grey has a great video about this topic: Americapox: The Missing Plague - ▶ this video TL;DR; You need big cities to keep plagues ongoing.

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@seph-reed2021-10 · in “Evidence for European presence in the Americas in AD 1021”

CPG Grey has a great video on this exact subject: ▶ this video In short, you need cities to develop these types of viruses. Cities where the virus can just keep killing, without ever hitting a dead end.

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