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#NoEstimates (Allen Holub)

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Allen Holub's keynote arguing that estimation is harmful, particularly in Agile, and presenting planning approaches based on data and flow instead. It covers the distinction between estimation and data-driven prediction.

Recommended in estimation and sprint debates as a well-reasoned account of where waste is and isn't in agile.

7 comments from Hacker News

@coryfklein2022-10 · in “I don’t believe in sprints”

One could write a solid critique of sprints and how they help or don't, and where time is wasted, but this article is overzealous and comes off as motivated more by anger than reasoning. If you want a well-reasoned discussion of where the waste is and isn't, I highly recommend Allen Holub's talk #NoEstimates [0]. [0] ▶ this video

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@Vinalin2019-04 · in “Deadlines Are Killing Us, and Almost Everything Else I Know About Leadership”

There's an interesting video by Allen Holub that I've seen on the somewhat related topic of ridding software development of estimates (#NoEstimates)[1]. He argues that they're responsible for deadlines that are impossible to meet due to them being based completely on a guess. He then goes on to talk about how we can still get predictive power without giving estimates. I found it extremely interesting and highly recommend it. [1] ▶ this video

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@hal-eisen2025-12 · in “Estimates are difficult for developers and product owners”

▶ this video #NoEstimates Yes, be agile. Yes, measure all the things. But estimation sets everyone up for disappointment.

@codr72023-11 · in “Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software engineer job”

Planning doesn't mean estimation though; we all know it's just guesswork, and basing business decisions on guesswork is madness. On top of that it's a lot of wasted time and effort. Milestones and projections is a much more constructive approach, simply tracking the number of tasks in your backlog over time will give you an increasingly correct projection of when the project will be finished. ▶ this video

@azemetre2022-07 · in “Microsoft researched what made employees happy”

Apparently if you do zero estimating (or just count the amount of stories), it makes ZERO difference when calculating your cumulative-flow diagram. ▶ this video Money segment is at the 26m15s mark. The wasted effort of trying to estimate stories provides zero business value in this context.