I Found The Source of the Coronavirus
laowhy866 HN recommenders · recommended in 5 months, 2020–2023
commentary · general · 2020–2023 on HN
A 2020 video by laowhy86 arguing that the coronavirus did not originate outside China, pointing to evidence about the Wuhan institute and a possible patient zero. It cites sources in the description.
Frequently posted in early COVID origin and lab-leak threads as a compelling early case, though other commenters cite rebuttals and note it is speculative.
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12 comments from Hacker News
Exactly. I am not into conspiracies, but I highly recommend this video from early 2020 which details how one of the Chinese researchers at WIV, Huang Yan Ling disappeared in late 2019 and how subsequently her internet presence was memory holed [1] by Chinese censors (all verifiable with the links in the video description and wayback). ▶ this video This to me is one of the smoking guns. [1] - link
I wish more people would watch this [0], might not be true but damn does it seem convincing. Seems pretty obvious that it was lab originated, even if it isn't manufactured. [0] ▶ this video
> Patient zero was a virologist that seems to have been censored off the Chinese internet afterwards, and I can't find the links anymore :-/ 10-minute video that includes that plus a few other things: ▶ this video
▶ this video The sources listed in the description of this video seem somewhat reliable. While I'm not completely sold on the lab being the source I think the odds that it was are still pretty high for me.
The most credible evidence has been gathered and presented in a youtube video ▶ this video . The youtuber was a long time china immigrant before being forced to move abroad.
Her name was Huang Yan Ling (黄燕玲) for anyone who might be interested in learning more about the potential patient 0. The evidence is very compelling and this video does a good job at presenting it: ▶ this video
The reason for the doubt is that it wasn't transparent nor obvious. The Chinese government retroactively censored the institute's publications, Fall 2019 job postings, staff listings, and internal discussion of new symptoms amongst certain researchers [1]. There is a possibility that there were a few earlier cases than the market ones which were covered up to conceal negligence at the institute. [1] ▶ this video
Here's a two of his videos where he claims that COVID-19 emerged from a lab: ▶ this video link And here's a pretty thorough analysis of the flaws with this theory: link
I believe you misunderstood his analysis. At timestamp 6:36 of his video [1], laowhy86 analyzes a copy of the draft "The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus" to conclude that the virus must have come from the lab. This preprint has been shown to be false by future scholarship (see the citations of the draft at [2] for some examples). Potholer then analyzes the veracity of the claims within that preprint in his video [3], starting with an excerpt of [1] starting at 2:02. So the timeline should be: Feb. 2020 - Preprint published -> Apr. 2020 - laowhy's video -> May 2020 - potholer's rebuttal [1] ▶ this video [2] link [3] link
> While you're pondering all that keep in mind that the person who "broke" the story in the WSJ about the sick workers at the Wuhan lab was Michael R. Gordon. He's also notable for having co-authored with Judith Miller in 2002 the NYT story on Hussein's nuclear program and WMDs that arguably helped propel us into the Iraq War. Uh, are you referring to this [0]? It's the only obvious thing I can find on Google linked to his name. It was also posted over a year after when we first heard of those sick workers. Here's [1] one example (they're mentioned from 6:30 to 6:50). [0] link [1] ▶ this video
> Looking back in hindsight, I wonder how we could have picked out the lab leak theory as being worthy of consideration, given the context. There were a lot of threads to pull, and some of us were following it. For example, this video was posted in April 2020: ▶ this video
Exactly. I remember seeing this video on youtube in April 2020 and being kind of confused about it's ▶ this video what that guy is saying there, there were clear signs of a coverup at that institute very early in 2020.