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The Encryption Tightrope: Balancing Americans’ Security and Privacy: EventID=104573

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A 2016 House Judiciary Committee hearing on encryption, held during the Apple and FBI iPhone dispute. It features testimony from Apple, the FBI and outside experts including Susan Landau, and runs over five hours.

HN users cite it as primary-source testimony, especially for the argument that weakening encryption is security versus security, not privacy versus security.

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@rietta2016-03 · in “FBI Wants It to Be Impractical to Deploy Strong Encryption Without Key Escrow”

It has been explained to them multiple times in congressional hearings. If you have a long time, the recent House Judiciary Committee Hearing is worth the watch: The Encryption Tightrope: Balancing Americans’ Security and Privacy ▶ this video There was another one that I watched back in June, but I cannot find the video at the moment. Should have bookmarked it! In the rietta.com article, I linked the this hearing, starting with Susan Landau's testimony starting at ▶ this video . But there is more must watch portions of the hearing. I like GnuPG and I use it regularly with work as does my team. And some of our clients do too, but not nearly enough. But my mom and dad are never going to use it. They do both use iPhones though. So being able to protect them is important.

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@pdkl952017-05 · in “FBI director Comey backs new Feinstein push for decrypt bill”

Susan Landau's congressional testimony - with Comey siting one table away - applies to this as well. She explains in detail not only the problem with backdoors, but also how the FBI badly needs to update their methods. The quote from the NSA that legal access doesn't mean that access will be easy should have ended this brouhaha last year. ▶ this video

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@alblue2016-03 · in “FBI’s Comey Concedes Mistake Was Made Over iPhone in San Bernardino Case”

I sat through the YouTube presentation (which is available at ▶ this video if you have four hours to spare). In general the discussions were quite well presented, apart from a couple of rabid questioners suggesting that public security trumped any one individuals' right to personal security. I've written up a summary of the hearings at InfoQ here: link The general responses from Apple were that it wouldn't be possible to write this just for one phone; that once the FBiOS was available for one it would be available for any phone. Dr Landon also highlighted the fact that most people now use their phones as part of a two-factor authentication, and that the easiest way to break into a system (such as the IRS leak) is to compromise login credentials. The fear is, therefore, that once pandora's box is opened that the operating system would be installable on any device and thus potentially give access to any state actor to any account simply through device compromise. The entire hearing was very well laid out, though in a few cases Apple's witnesses weren't quite as fluid as the FBI's. The congress members have five days to ask additional questions, after which presumably a report will be made. More information is available at the House page here: link

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@pdkl952017-06 · in “How the Australian government plans to access encrypted messages”

> that doesn't lead to a wack-a-mole game Stored-program general purpose computers are a fundamentally a threat to any entrenched power that relies on being able to control any potential risk with physical, legal, economic, or social force. The only real way to control software that is no longer scarce is to find a way to hobble the "universal computing machine" so it is no longer universal. Cory Doctorow's warning[1] about the War On General Purpose Computing received a lot of attention, but I suspect his far more important followup[2] about the looming Civil War over General Purpose Computing was had a much smaller audience. Dan Geer suggested[3] that this "Cold Civil War" has been ongoing for a long time already. With this new push by FVEY nations against crypto, it looks like the war is starting to heat up. > where comms do go dark That's just not true. Metadata is everywhere and will likely only get even more informative into the future. As Susan Landau explained[4] in her testimony to Congress, the only people "going dark" are the people trying to "preserve 20th century investigative techniques [while] our enemies are using 21st century technologies against us." Complaining about "going dark" is just misdirection away from a total failure to update investigative techniques to not just keep up with changing technology, but to take advantage of the new opportunities created by our growing sea of {,meta}data. [1] link [2] link [3] link [4] ▶ this video

@pdkl952016-08 · in “FBI chief calls for national talk over encryption vs. safety”

Encryption vs safety? This is carefully framed in a way that ignores the safety provided by proper encryption. This isn't "encryption vs safety", but actual safety of secure communication and personal data vs possible safety of solving a few more criminal cases. As koenigdavidmj already mentioned, one of the key principles of a free society is that liberty and justice is more important than law enforcement convenience. It is better to let the guilty go free than infringing the rights of the innocent. The police will simply have to be more creative and find alternative ways to do their work. Of course, the FBI and congress already knows this, as Susan Landau already explained this in her testimony before the House Judiciary Committee. ▶ this video