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Alan Kay: Doing with Images Makes Symbols (Full Version)

Kenneth Friedman8 HN recommenders · recommended in 8 months, 2016–2023
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A full upload of Alan Kay's 1987 talk, with demos of several Smalltalk-era software systems and ideas about visual, kinesthetic and symbolic reasoning. It includes a Smalltalk program written by a 12-year-old and footage of the Rand tablet.

HN recommends it as a favourite tech talk full of good ideas from forgotten 1980s software, worth watching in full.

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@theodpHN2023-10 · in “Alan Kay: Doing with Images Makes Symbols [video]”

Dang, Alan Kay's old talks are so amazing. Check out this Smalltalk program written in 1975 by a 12-year-old girl. ▶ this video

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@scroot2018-05 · in “Media for Thinking the Unthinkable (2013)”

> Visualizations are great for shared intuition, but it should only be used at the end of a long personal struggle which should involve hours upon hours of undistracted effort, preferably involving something tactile like a pen and pencil. There is a classic Alan Kay talk that touches on this very issue, called "Doing With Images Makes Symbols." It discusses what the true power of HCI really is: that complex ideas (or even "unthinkable" ones) can be expressed via HCI using some combination of visual, kinesthetic, and symbolic reasoning. The whole talk is well worth watching, but here is the part I feel is most relevant for Victor's point: ▶ this video

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@agumonkey2017-08 · in “Concrete-free washing machines are lighter to transport, just as good in a spin”

I'm already trying hard not to fall into full alankayism [1] and this only reinforces my view. Jobs said that many people in companies are clueless... [1] for people that never watched his talk where he demonstrates how pretty old and forgotten software can be, enjoy this fully ▶ this video

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@cconroy2016-10 · in “Ask HN: What's your favorite tech talk?”

Doing with Images Makes Symbols, Alan Kay. ▶ this video The title says it all. It's really a summary of several software systems with good ideas abound. I believe all the software is 80s or prior. Edit: I also forgot to mention some psychology and math.

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@artem2472020-11 · in “Programs are a prison: Rethinking the building blocks of computing interfaces”

> (see also Alan Kay's vision of software inspired by biological cells and systems – lots of talk, no non-trivial proofs of concept). I just wanted to say that actually Kay's vision was implemented in something very non-trivial, both on the hardware side - Alto, and the Smalltalk operating system. They were used by real people and exhibited lots of traits that this article talks about. And some of their ideas were hugely influential in mainstream computing. I love the demo of one of the Smalltalk programs in this talk by Alan Kay [0], starts at around 40:30 [0] - ▶ this video

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