Why Electronic Voting is a BAD Idea - Computerphile
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Tom Scott explains for Computerphile why electronic voting is a bad idea, arguing that paper ballots are transparent, auditable and hard to tamper with at scale. He covers why moving voting to phones, tablets or computers undermines trust and verifiability.
It is the go-to short explainer HN commenters link whenever e-voting, voting machines or online voting come up.
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12 comments from Hacker News
I love [this video]( ▶ this video ) from Tom Scott in which he explains quite well why e-voting is inherently bad. I am very happy that here in Switzerland, even if we have to vote several times every year, we still do it the old fashion way :).
please watch this: ▶ this video it has a good list of reasons why software voting is a terrible idea. also the secret ballet is very important to maintaining the fairness of elections.
I love Tom Scott's computerphile videos. His frustration grows over a few videos; his videos about the difficulties of internationalization[1] and the problems of electronic voting[2] are even crazier. [1] link [2] ▶ this video
In europe, voting typically happens in one day, where everyone physically goes to their designated voting place and puts papers in a transparent box. You can stay there and wait for the count at the end of the day if you want to. Tom Scott has a very good video about why we don't want electronic/mail voting: ▶ this video
I thought it was nonsense when I first heard it, but the traditional paper system is actually more secure than a completely digital system. Here is a really good video explaining it: ▶ this video
Perhaps the most important political message I have seen on XKCD. Related Computerphile episode: ▶ this video I guess that some computer-powered elections are coming in the US, EU ?
Having open source voting systems is a great thing, but electronic voting is inherehently flawed and is a terrible idea. There's no way to prove the checksum of your software is real unless you have root access to the voting machine and are assuming the OS is not compromised. Decentralized electronic machines that print paper ballots for you (which you can physically verify), and submitting to a tabulator seem to be the safest option. But your paper ballot can be compromised in transit by a worker. I have also heard talks about using a blockchain-esque system for voting and verifying it online with a hash code. Here's a great video by Tom Scott: ▶ this video
Please explain how a “digital election system” could ever be a sane idea? • Why Electronic Voting is a BAD Idea < ▶ this video > • Why Electronic Voting Is Still A Bad Idea < link >
Obligatory Tom Scott videos: Why Electronic Voting is a BAD Idea - Computerphile | ▶ this video Why Electronic Voting Is Still A Bad Idea | link
It's hard to decide which part to highlight, as every sentence is more farcical than the last, starting with the premise that the code that counts American's votes is kept secret from them, and the unquestioning trust placed by the author in what election officials and voting machine vendors say - election security is not something that should be taken on faith. > Dominion has filed suits contesting unfounded claims about its systems. In May, it called giving Cyber Ninjas access to its code “reckless” and said it would cause “irreparable damage” to election security. The machines are so very secure, that mere access to the source code (something which many people had even before - do we trust all of them? Do we even know who they are?) is downright reckless ? Then we shouldn't be using machines at all, as they are clearly untrustworthy even by their own admission. This is not a fringe opinion - electronic voting was ruled unconstitutional in Germany [1], and Computerphile has strong arguments against it as well [2]. In summary, we should be outraged that a leak was needed, not that it happened. [1] link [2] ▶ this video
The market for voting machines is broken because it should not exist. Voting machines are a bad idea. ▶ this video
Nope. You never can audit most of it. Especially the hardware and firmware at vote time. And that's a false arg anyway, even if you could "audit" it (ask the hardware nicely to not lie to you:), it's still a (really) bad idea: ▶ this video